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		<title>Comment on What electronics do you allow your kids to have in their rooms? by arial39</title>
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		<dc:creator>arial39</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 21:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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my 9 year old has her own computer  but it is right here next to mone where  i can watch her and  know whats going on . i would never allow one in her room because kids will find a way around blocks and such, and i know a little about computers and how they work, i used to build them for a living  until i closed my shop down. so its not even  a matter of not  knowing how to lock them out effectively, but there is always a way around it, and a kid will be the one to find it.

she has her tv, dvd, ps2, cd player, all that stuff back there thats no biggie as long as you dont  let them live back there on them, but she would rather be in here with me doing things most of the time anyhow, i find that if a kid has them in their room with what they think is free access, it seems to become alot less of a big deal to them and they hardly pay attention to it.

and for the  poster above, you cant keep all the fun stuff out of their room just for the purpose of grounding them in there, thats not fair.  ill ground her to MY room  lol.</description>
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<p>my 9 year ancient has her own computer  but it is aptly here next to mone everywhere  i can watch her and  know whats going on . i would never allow one in her room because kids will find a way around blocks and such, and i know a small about computers and how they work, i used to build them for a income  until i clogged my shop down. so its not even  a topic of not  knowing how to lock them out effectively, but there is always a way around it, and a kid will be the one to find it.</p>
<p>she has her tv, dvd, ps2, cd player, all that stuff back there thats no biggie as long as you dont  let them live back there on them, but she would rather be in here with me doing equipment most of the time anyhow, i find that if a kid has them in their room with what they reflect is free access, it seems to become alot less of a huge deal to them and they hardly pay attention to it.</p>
<p>and for the  poster above, you cant keep all the fun stuff out of their room just for the purpose of grounding them in there, thats not honest.  ill ground her to MY room  lol.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do pilots ask you to turn off all electronics on planes? by baron_von_party</title>
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		<dc:creator>baron_von_party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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Cuz people with cellphones are irritating, mindless jabberjaws and the flight attendants just love walking around making sure you cell phone bullies are unplugged for a short time in your adult lives.</description>
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<p>Cuz people with cellphones are irritating, mindless jabberjaws and the flight attendants just like walking around building sure you cell phone bullies are unplugged for a small time in your adult lives.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do pilots ask you to turn off all electronics on planes? by amir_in_london</title>
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		<dc:creator>amir_in_london</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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interference</description>
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<p>interference</p>
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		<title>Comment on What electronics do you allow your kids to have in their rooms? by kymm r</title>
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		<dc:creator>kymm r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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I have a tv in my childrens room,  they are not allowed to watch it until after dinner , shower and homework done.Reading before bed  helps children  relax.</description>
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<p>I have a tv in my childrens room,  they are not allowed to watch it until after dinner , shower and homework done.Reading previous to bed  helps children  relax.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What electronics do you allow your kids to have in their rooms? by amberlicious81</title>
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		<dc:creator>amberlicious81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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NO WAY!!!!! computers need to be in a family room where anyone can see what you are doing. kids are very smart and can figure out how to get around the blocks. my stepdaughter is 7 and the only thing she has in her room is a cd player. the only time she gets on the comp is to play games, that is way too young.</description>
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<p>NO WAY!!!!! computers need to be in a family room everywhere anyone can see what you are doing. kids are very smart and can figure out how to get around the blocks. my stepdaughter is 7 and the only thing she has in her room is a cd player. the only time she gets on the comp is to play games, that is way too childish.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do pilots ask you to turn off all electronics on planes? by Douglas D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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I am a pilot. There may be no proof written in a scientific journal somewhere that says that cellphones interfere with radio navigation, &amp; communication on aircraft, but I can tell you from my own personal experience that they do.

Cellphones typically use three channels simultaneaously during the time that a call is in progress. Two for what we call &quot;Full Duplex&quot; communication (that is where each person at each end of the line can talk at the same time, &amp; hear each other as well without having to &quot;key a mic&quot; like you would on a walkie talkie. That would be &quot;Half Duplex&quot;) The other channel is what is known as &quot;The Control channel&quot; . The control channel helps the cellular network track where your cellphone is on the network, so it knows where to direct an in-comming call. As long as the phone is on, it communicates on the control channel almost constantly with the network. 
Now each time a cellphone travels from one zone that is covered by a single cell communications tower to another, a series of beeps &amp; blips are exchanged between the phone &amp; the network. I have personally heard these beeps &amp; blips comming from an active cellphone over my radio in the cockpit of my aircraft. I have also heard the same tones over my car radio when I am travelling between cell sites in my car with the cellphone turned on. You may have heard these sounds yourself, &amp; not been able to figure out where they are comming from.

Even if the radio is not tuned to the same frequency as the cellphone network, these signals will burst through as interference called &quot;cross channel&quot; because the tiny transmitter in the cellphone is so close to the radio receivers in the cockpit, or the wiring to the radio antennae.

Now try to imagine what would happen if only 10% of the passengers on a commercial airliner had their cellphones on at the same time, not talking, just on. If the passengers numbered 100 - 200 then that would mean about 10 - 20 cellphones would all start injecting interference into the communications systems in the cockpit everytime the aircraft traveled over a new cell site. With all of that beeping, &amp; blipping going on at the same time it would be very likely that it would jam out the vital  communications between the pilots in the cockpit, &amp; the air traffic controllers, &amp; put the safety of the fight in severe jeopardy.

Knowing that, I have little doubt that other systems in the aircraft can be affected by RFI (radio frequency interference) as well. 

So PLEASE for your own sake. Keep all of your personal electronics turned off while riding in an aircraft.

BTW. I watched that Mythbusters episode with interest, &amp; they were using a VOR navigation system in a car riding around a parking lot at a community airport, as well as in an actual aircraft parked stationary on the ground. They didn&#039;t even come close to a real life test because they would have violated FAA regulations in the process, so anyone who drew the conclusion that active cellphones on aircraft are NOT dangerous from that are sadly mistaken.</description>
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<p>I am a pilot. There may be no proof written in a scientific journal somewhere that says that cellphones interfere with radio navigation, &#038; communication on aircraft, but I can tell you from my own personal experience that they do.</p>
<p>Cellphones typically use three channels simultaneaously during the time that a call is in progress. Two for what we call &#8220;Full Duplex&#8221; communication (that is everywhere each person at each end of the line can talk at the same time, &#038; hear each other as well without having to &#8220;key a mic&#8221; like you would on a walkie talkie. That would be &#8220;Half Duplex&#8221;) The other channel is what is known as &#8220;The Control channel&#8221; . The control channel helps the cellular network track everywhere your cellphone is on the network, so it knows everywhere to direct an in-comming call. As long as the phone is on, it communicates on the control channel nearly constantly with the network.<br />
Now each time a cellphone travels from one zone that is covered by a single cell communications tower to another, a series of beeps &#038; blips are exchanged between the phone &#038; the network. I have personally heard these beeps &#038; blips comming from an committed cellphone over my radio in the ring of my aircraft. I have also heard the same tones over my car radio when I am travelling between cell sites in my car with the cellphone turned on. You may have heard these sounds yourself, &#038; not been able to figure out everywhere they are comming from.</p>
<p>Even if the radio is not tuned to the same frequency as the cellphone network, these signals will burst owing to as interference called &#8220;cross channel&#8221; because the tiny transmitter in the cellphone is so close to the radio receivers in the ring, or the wiring to the radio antennae.</p>
<p>Now try to imagine what would happen if only 10% of the passengers on a commercial airliner had their cellphones on at the same time, not discussion, just on. If the passengers numbered 100 &#8211; 200 then that would mean about 10 &#8211; 20 cellphones would all start injecting interference into the communications systems in the ring everytime the aircraft traveled over a new cell site. With all of that beeping, &#038; blipping going on at the same time it would be very likely that it would jam out the vital  communications between the pilots in the ring, &#038; the air traffic controllers, &#038; place the safety of the fight in severe jeopardy.</p>
<p>Knowing that, I have small doubt that other systems in the aircraft can be affected by RFI (radio frequency interference) as well. </p>
<p>So PLEASE for your own sake. Keep all of your personal electronics turned off while riding in an aircraft.</p>
<p>BTW. I watched that Mythbusters episode with interest, &#038; they were using a VOR navigation logic in a car riding around a parking lot at a community airport, as well as in an actual aircraft parked stationary on the ground. They didn&#8217;t even come close to a real life test because they would have debased FAA set of laws in the administer, so anyone who drew the conclusion that committed cellphones on aircraft are NOT perilous from that are sadly mistaken.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do pilots ask you to turn off all electronics on planes? by fast eddie</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 15:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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planes no longer have levers,rods and wires connecting the control equipment to the cockpit, its all done now by electronic transmission.  even though there are safeguards place to prevent interferance from affecting them it is dangerous to have other types of personal electronics switched on just in case</description>
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<p>planes no longer have levers,rods and wires connecting the control gear to the ring, its all done now by electronic transmission.  even though there are safeguards place to prevent interferance from affecting them it is perilous to have other types of personal electronics switched on just in case</p>
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		<title>Comment on What electronics do you allow your kids to have in their rooms? by Pilyong Hipon</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 12:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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Keep the PC to yourself. Give them a game boy instead.</description>
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<p>Keep the PC to yourself. Give them a game boy instead.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What electronics do you allow your kids to have in their rooms? by rachel</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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they have a cd player. Thats it. 
Computers with internet access do NOT belong in the bedroom. It needs to be in a family living area. Blocks or not, there are always ways for pervs to get around them. Has all the kids/internet stories that end badly taught you nothing???</description>
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<p>they have a cd player. Thats it.<br />
Computers with internet access do NOT belong in the bedroom. It needs to be in a family income area. Blocks or not, there are always ways for pervs to get around them. Has all the kids/internet tales that end terribly taught you nothing???</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do pilots ask you to turn off all electronics on planes? by thefatguythatpaysthebills</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 15:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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Because there is now way to prove that cell phones interfere with the electronics on aircraft - so rather than spending a fortune to prove that they do or dont - it is cheaper to tell the flying public to turn it off. Also, airlines want you to use there inflight $.95 in flight phones if you need to talk to someone ,..</description>
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<p>Because there is now way to prove that cell phones interfere with the electronics on aircraft &#8211; so rather than spending a fortune to prove that they do or dont &#8211; it is cheaper to tell the flying public to turn it off. Also, airlines want you to use there inflight $.95 in flight phones if you need to talk to someone ,..</p>
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